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	<title>Comments on: Baking with flour—a novel concept?</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-2789</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a bit late on positing this comment but these cookies are just amazing.  I made mine a bit larger.  The cookies spread out beautifully in the oven.  I had to eat the cookies with 2 glasses of milk.  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit late on positing this comment but these cookies are just amazing.  I made mine a bit larger.  The cookies spread out beautifully in the oven.  I had to eat the cookies with 2 glasses of milk.  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Booth</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 08:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ, thanks to you, Susan, and the other KAF bakers for being such wonderful stewards of traditional baking.  I haven't checked out the Pillsbury Bake-Off recipes in a while, but I know they used to be more of the traditional baking recipes.  Pillsbury flour was certainly used frequently.  There is one recipe winner from I don't know how long ago that I still love to make (Split Second cookies, but with KAF flour and homemade strawberry jam. yum :)  I guess the Bake-Off is just following the trend and going towards more convenience food recipes.  I understand people feeling pushed for time, but it's still sad. 

On a positive note tho, just notice how many of us are still out there that like to do more traditional cooking and baking.  My [paternal] grandmother was an outstanding baker and my mother got me started very young, so both sides handed down the tradition.  I'm 42 and have already been baking for 30+ years.  I have three young sons (ages 2, 4, and 6) that I in turn am trying already to show the pleasures of baking and cooking and hope they will continue it on as well.  And who knows, with the current economy maybe the trend will switch back to scratch baking! :)&lt;strong&gt;

Dana, thanks for continuing to carry the "baking flag"- your sons are lucky to have a mom like you! - PJH&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ, thanks to you, Susan, and the other KAF bakers for being such wonderful stewards of traditional baking.  I haven&#8217;t checked out the Pillsbury Bake-Off recipes in a while, but I know they used to be more of the traditional baking recipes.  Pillsbury flour was certainly used frequently.  There is one recipe winner from I don&#8217;t know how long ago that I still love to make (Split Second cookies, but with KAF flour and homemade strawberry jam. yum <img src='http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I guess the Bake-Off is just following the trend and going towards more convenience food recipes.  I understand people feeling pushed for time, but it&#8217;s still sad. </p>
<p>On a positive note tho, just notice how many of us are still out there that like to do more traditional cooking and baking.  My [paternal] grandmother was an outstanding baker and my mother got me started very young, so both sides handed down the tradition.  I&#8217;m 42 and have already been baking for 30+ years.  I have three young sons (ages 2, 4, and 6) that I in turn am trying already to show the pleasures of baking and cooking and hope they will continue it on as well.  And who knows, with the current economy maybe the trend will switch back to scratch baking! <img src='http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <strong></p>
<p>Dana, thanks for continuing to carry the &#8220;baking flag&#8221;- your sons are lucky to have a mom like you! - PJH</strong></p>
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		<title>By: PJ Hamel</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-1254</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-1254</guid>
		<description>Tracy, that's awesome - a finalist not once, but twice! Wow. Considering the zillions of people who enter, that's impressive. 
I'm happy that you took the time to post an "opposing view" here. Just as you spoke up for baking that doesn't necessarily include flour or stirring things together, I felt I needed to speak up for the more traditional type of baking. I fear it's becoming lost in our American culture, the desire to take time to bake yeast breads from scratch, cookies by beating butter and sugar and eggs together, and pancakes not from a boxed mix, but with butter and milk and flour. I believe in our history, and our culture; and I believe that there need to be stewards to take it forward. I've chosen to be one of those stewards, and would never consider forcing that task on anyone who doesn't want to shoulder it.
In fact, I don't believe in baking "contests" — I don't believe in baking as a competitive sport. I feel it's a collaborative, creative effort, with the reward coming in the form of the happiness it brings both the baker and those who enjoy his or her labors. For those who love baking contests, I say go for it- whatever brings YOU happiness.  
So we can agree to disagree agreeably on this one. : )
P.S.: I do use convenience products (you'll find them scattered throughout this blog); I do take the time to bake at home, outside "business hours;" and I have a full and rewarding and busy life (including three jobs) that encompasses much more than watching yeast perform its tricks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, that&#8217;s awesome - a finalist not once, but twice! Wow. Considering the zillions of people who enter, that&#8217;s impressive.<br />
I&#8217;m happy that you took the time to post an &#8220;opposing view&#8221; here. Just as you spoke up for baking that doesn&#8217;t necessarily include flour or stirring things together, I felt I needed to speak up for the more traditional type of baking. I fear it&#8217;s becoming lost in our American culture, the desire to take time to bake yeast breads from scratch, cookies by beating butter and sugar and eggs together, and pancakes not from a boxed mix, but with butter and milk and flour. I believe in our history, and our culture; and I believe that there need to be stewards to take it forward. I&#8217;ve chosen to be one of those stewards, and would never consider forcing that task on anyone who doesn&#8217;t want to shoulder it.<br />
In fact, I don&#8217;t believe in baking &#8220;contests&#8221; — I don&#8217;t believe in baking as a competitive sport. I feel it&#8217;s a collaborative, creative effort, with the reward coming in the form of the happiness it brings both the baker and those who enjoy his or her labors. For those who love baking contests, I say go for it- whatever brings YOU happiness.<br />
So we can agree to disagree agreeably on this one. : )<br />
P.S.: I do use convenience products (you&#8217;ll find them scattered throughout this blog); I do take the time to bake at home, outside &#8220;business hours;&#8221; and I have a full and rewarding and busy life (including three jobs) that encompasses much more than watching yeast perform its tricks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-1250</guid>
		<description>So you decided to see what was hot with home bakers, and then, having seen it, put down those home bakers because they don't bake like you -- a person who is employed to bake from scratch? 

As a finalist in two Pillsbury Bake-off contests, I can tell you with certainty that the vast majority of people who competed do a great job with recipes from scratch. But they also have full and interesting lives that often include days that are too busy for marveling at the wonders of yeast. For those days, hooray for Pillsbury convenience products!

If you think there should be a contest devoted to "from scratch" baking, why don't you and your fellow owners start one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you decided to see what was hot with home bakers, and then, having seen it, put down those home bakers because they don&#8217;t bake like you &#8212; a person who is employed to bake from scratch? </p>
<p>As a finalist in two Pillsbury Bake-off contests, I can tell you with certainty that the vast majority of people who competed do a great job with recipes from scratch. But they also have full and interesting lives that often include days that are too busy for marveling at the wonders of yeast. For those days, hooray for Pillsbury convenience products!</p>
<p>If you think there should be a contest devoted to &#8220;from scratch&#8221; baking, why don&#8217;t you and your fellow owners start one?</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-703</guid>
		<description>I spent a few minutes trying to talk myself out of leaving a comment (read: rant) about "recipes and ingredients" these days, but when the battle between good sense and annoyance was waged, you can probably guess which one was the victor.

First of all, I would like to say that I love what you've done with at least one of your blog posts - compared the ingredients to the original type of store bought product that inspired your creative genious to your final version of same.  That's partly due to the fact that I'm sensitive to a lot of categorically nasty things like corn syrup, sulfites, flavor enhancers like MSG and nutrasweet, their deceptively named equivalents, etc.  Because of that, I do not eat convenience foods anymore, lest I wind up despondent and depressed for 2 weeks, covered in hives or just plain ill.  Or all three.  That's always fun.

KAF products are, if given a choice, the only ones I tend to use for all of the baking and cooking I've ended up doing because of that.  Incidentally, KAF flour is the only flour that doesn't give me hives.  Sure, it takes a bit more time, but I feel far better for it, as would most people if they cut the processed garbage we've come to know as food out of our respective diets.  I'm not preaching here, honest.  I actually do have a point.  I think.  

Oh, yes.  I remember.  "Ingredients &#38; Recipes".  I think the trend began in the 1950's.  I've purchased several vintage cookbooks to try to find recipes that don't include things like frozen dessert toppings, canned frosting and prepackaged cake mixes, but as soon as convenience and canned foods began to saturate the market, it seems that recipes with simple, natural ingredients went the way of the dinosaur.  Sad, that.  And Pillsbury seems to be one of the most frequent offenders.  I bought an entire cookbook of their "recipes" in 1992 and only found one that was useable (which had more to do with foul tasting end products than anything, primarily because I wasn't concerned with senstivity issues back then).

But, I digress.  I guess this miniature rant was just my way of saying keep up the good work!  Oh, and fabulous blog!  And, of course, Pillsbury recipes are icky and gross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent a few minutes trying to talk myself out of leaving a comment (read: rant) about &#8220;recipes and ingredients&#8221; these days, but when the battle between good sense and annoyance was waged, you can probably guess which one was the victor.</p>
<p>First of all, I would like to say that I love what you&#8217;ve done with at least one of your blog posts - compared the ingredients to the original type of store bought product that inspired your creative genious to your final version of same.  That&#8217;s partly due to the fact that I&#8217;m sensitive to a lot of categorically nasty things like corn syrup, sulfites, flavor enhancers like MSG and nutrasweet, their deceptively named equivalents, etc.  Because of that, I do not eat convenience foods anymore, lest I wind up despondent and depressed for 2 weeks, covered in hives or just plain ill.  Or all three.  That&#8217;s always fun.</p>
<p>KAF products are, if given a choice, the only ones I tend to use for all of the baking and cooking I&#8217;ve ended up doing because of that.  Incidentally, KAF flour is the only flour that doesn&#8217;t give me hives.  Sure, it takes a bit more time, but I feel far better for it, as would most people if they cut the processed garbage we&#8217;ve come to know as food out of our respective diets.  I&#8217;m not preaching here, honest.  I actually do have a point.  I think.  </p>
<p>Oh, yes.  I remember.  &#8220;Ingredients &amp; Recipes&#8221;.  I think the trend began in the 1950&#8217;s.  I&#8217;ve purchased several vintage cookbooks to try to find recipes that don&#8217;t include things like frozen dessert toppings, canned frosting and prepackaged cake mixes, but as soon as convenience and canned foods began to saturate the market, it seems that recipes with simple, natural ingredients went the way of the dinosaur.  Sad, that.  And Pillsbury seems to be one of the most frequent offenders.  I bought an entire cookbook of their &#8220;recipes&#8221; in 1992 and only found one that was useable (which had more to do with foul tasting end products than anything, primarily because I wasn&#8217;t concerned with senstivity issues back then).</p>
<p>But, I digress.  I guess this miniature rant was just my way of saying keep up the good work!  Oh, and fabulous blog!  And, of course, Pillsbury recipes are icky and gross.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Billings</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-443</guid>
		<description>I totally know what you mean about the Bake-Off! After seeing the crazy-detailed lists of pre-fab ingredients you're required to use in your entry (one from each of two separate columns, if I remember correctly, and I don't think flour was one of them), I've finally given up. I'd much rather eat something I've actually BAKED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally know what you mean about the Bake-Off! After seeing the crazy-detailed lists of pre-fab ingredients you&#8217;re required to use in your entry (one from each of two separate columns, if I remember correctly, and I don&#8217;t think flour was one of them), I&#8217;ve finally given up. I&#8217;d much rather eat something I&#8217;ve actually BAKED!</p>
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		<title>By: pj hamel</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>pj hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-329</guid>
		<description>Carolyn, I think one of our baker's hotline ladies already answered your yeast question, yes? I remember discussing it with them, about not doubling the yeast, but only increasing it a little bit...

And Sue, thanks for the newsy comment. I grew up south of Boston, too (Hingham) and had the same half year of sewing, half year of cooking - but in 8th grade (you Newton kids were always SO smart!) Glad to hear you still get back here - and to Fryeburg. We went to the Fryeburg Fair every year when we lived in Maine. 

Have fun on your boat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn, I think one of our baker&#8217;s hotline ladies already answered your yeast question, yes? I remember discussing it with them, about not doubling the yeast, but only increasing it a little bit&#8230;</p>
<p>And Sue, thanks for the newsy comment. I grew up south of Boston, too (Hingham) and had the same half year of sewing, half year of cooking - but in 8th grade (you Newton kids were always SO smart!) Glad to hear you still get back here - and to Fryeburg. We went to the Fryeburg Fair every year when we lived in Maine. </p>
<p>Have fun on your boat!</p>
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		<title>By: Sue E. Conrad</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue E. Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-323</guid>
		<description>Know exactly what you mean regarding the Pillsbury Bake-Off, especially since it's that time again!!  My husband and I now live in FL but are New England natives (Nantucket and Newton respectively).  I attended school at a time when Home Ec was required - half a year of sewing (hated it!!!) followed by half a year of cooking (loved it!!!).  Still have my recipe for Apple Crisp from 7th grade and make it to rave reviews each time.  Grew up with my mother using Gold Medal flour (reminds me of talcum powder!) but at some point I discovered King Arthur and haven't looked back!!  I make biscuits, cornbread, and piecrust from scratch - always have, always will.  We return to New England each summer to visit children, grandchildren, and friends as well as our annual pilgrimage to King Arthur in Norwich.  This year will be extra-special as my husband and I will be attending his 50th reunion at Fryeburg Academy!  And last but not least, we live on our boat "Spindrift" in the St. Petersburg area............and the galley (kitchen) is equipped with an oven at my insistence - gotta be able to bake no matter what!!

Thanks for all the great products and recipes!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Know exactly what you mean regarding the Pillsbury Bake-Off, especially since it&#8217;s that time again!!  My husband and I now live in FL but are New England natives (Nantucket and Newton respectively).  I attended school at a time when Home Ec was required - half a year of sewing (hated it!!!) followed by half a year of cooking (loved it!!!).  Still have my recipe for Apple Crisp from 7th grade and make it to rave reviews each time.  Grew up with my mother using Gold Medal flour (reminds me of talcum powder!) but at some point I discovered King Arthur and haven&#8217;t looked back!!  I make biscuits, cornbread, and piecrust from scratch - always have, always will.  We return to New England each summer to visit children, grandchildren, and friends as well as our annual pilgrimage to King Arthur in Norwich.  This year will be extra-special as my husband and I will be attending his 50th reunion at Fryeburg Academy!  And last but not least, we live on our boat &#8220;Spindrift&#8221; in the St. Petersburg area&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and the galley (kitchen) is equipped with an oven at my insistence - gotta be able to bake no matter what!!</p>
<p>Thanks for all the great products and recipes!!</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn  Klie</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn  Klie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question I can't find an answer to.  Maybe you can help me since Mostly I "guesstimate" now.  When I double a yeast bread recipe do I need to double the amount of yeast ( which seems like a lot sometimes) or is there a way to figure how much less?  Thanks-  I missed your stories and comments about life and baking when your newsletters changed.  I'm so glad they are back.  But I miss the magazine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question I can&#8217;t find an answer to.  Maybe you can help me since Mostly I &#8220;guesstimate&#8221; now.  When I double a yeast bread recipe do I need to double the amount of yeast ( which seems like a lot sometimes) or is there a way to figure how much less?  Thanks-  I missed your stories and comments about life and baking when your newsletters changed.  I&#8217;m so glad they are back.  But I miss the magazine!</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Hamel</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/03/13/baking-with-flour%e2%80%94a-novel-concept/#comment-179</guid>
		<description>Joan, if you use the kind of ice cream or cookie scoop where you squeeze the handle to release the dough, it should plop right out onto the cookie sheet; if it doesn't give your wrist a flick to help it along. I haven't had an issue, using cookie dough with a "normal" texture. It also helps, when using VERY sticky dough, to dip the scoop in water every few cookies. And/or to rinse it clean, if the dough still seems to be sticking. Hope this helps-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan, if you use the kind of ice cream or cookie scoop where you squeeze the handle to release the dough, it should plop right out onto the cookie sheet; if it doesn&#8217;t give your wrist a flick to help it along. I haven&#8217;t had an issue, using cookie dough with a &#8220;normal&#8221; texture. It also helps, when using VERY sticky dough, to dip the scoop in water every few cookies. And/or to rinse it clean, if the dough still seems to be sticking. Hope this helps-</p>
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