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	<title>Comments on: Peachy: KEEN!</title>
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		<title>By: Stephanie R.</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-6530</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I respectfully, but strongly, recommend AGAINST the egg?  While it does offer the benefit of leaving the dough easier to work, it also makes the crust VERY tough.  The reason for using low gluten flour is to eliminate as much protein as possible in the flour.  You want the molecules to make short, weak chains for tenderness, and egg strengthens chains (which is why you normally add egg to things--it is a "binder", making things stick together).

Today I made pie crust for freezing using the same recipe:  1.5 cups flour, 12 T butter, 3/4 tsp salt, additional water as needed and either WITH one egg white or WITHOUT one egg white (egg beaters).

I made 5 pie crusts.  2 with the egg, 3 without the egg.  I was not sure what the egg would do, so I only used the egg in two.  It was obvious during cooking of the "trimmings" (for a nummy snack) from the first egg crust that there was a difference:  the egg crust had butter weeping so much that the crusts were literally frying in butter in the oven.  In fact,  I had to actually remove from the foil they were on and transfer them (sans the butter that had weeped out) to another tray to finish cooking.  The resulting crust snacks were VERY flaky, to be sure, but VERY tough...so much so that my extremely non-picky husband told me to toss them.  

The crust snacks from the non-egg crusts were also flaky, but the butter seemed to stay incorporated (no weeping) AND the resulting crusts were so flaky that they crumbled if you put too much weight on them (for example, I had to make sure that I supported a half dollar sized snack, not just hold it by the corner or by the edges).  They were flaky, but also very delicate and the butter did not weep out of the crust.

I tried again with a different batch of egg dough and non egg dough with the same results--the egg dough was tough, the non-egg dough was tender, but they were both flaky.  VISUALLY they were both stunning in terms of flakiness (with the egg dough probably being more flaky looking), but the chew was expontentially different...the egg dough was just tough, tough, tough.

This left me in a bit of a dilemma--what to do with the two egg crusts?  I ended up marking them "for pecan pie only" (as per my husband's instructions) so that even if the crusts were tough, the insides were good enough to stand alone.

Yes, the egg dough was MUCH eaiser to work than the non-egg dough, but the cooked crust was SO INCREDIBLY tougher that it was very much a disappointment.

Now, I did use a different brand of soft winter wheat flour (I did not have any KA on hand).  And I used an egg white instead of a whole egg.  Perhaps that was the difference, but I doubt it.  Egg is a notorious binder and it would stand to reason that an egg in the dough would cause the strengthening of the chains of proteins.  However, do your own experiment and see, just in case I missed something, and if I am totally off base, please delete this comment.  I do not want to lead anyone astray!

Stephanie

&lt;strong&gt;Stephanie, very interesting and thorough research. It's amazing how many different ways there are to make something as simple as piecrust, eh? Thanks for the lesson - and I hope whoever's reading this tries Stephanie's experiment sometime and reports back. PJH&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I respectfully, but strongly, recommend AGAINST the egg?  While it does offer the benefit of leaving the dough easier to work, it also makes the crust VERY tough.  The reason for using low gluten flour is to eliminate as much protein as possible in the flour.  You want the molecules to make short, weak chains for tenderness, and egg strengthens chains (which is why you normally add egg to things&#8211;it is a &#8220;binder&#8221;, making things stick together).</p>
<p>Today I made pie crust for freezing using the same recipe:  1.5 cups flour, 12 T butter, 3/4 tsp salt, additional water as needed and either WITH one egg white or WITHOUT one egg white (egg beaters).</p>
<p>I made 5 pie crusts.  2 with the egg, 3 without the egg.  I was not sure what the egg would do, so I only used the egg in two.  It was obvious during cooking of the &#8220;trimmings&#8221; (for a nummy snack) from the first egg crust that there was a difference:  the egg crust had butter weeping so much that the crusts were literally frying in butter in the oven.  In fact,  I had to actually remove from the foil they were on and transfer them (sans the butter that had weeped out) to another tray to finish cooking.  The resulting crust snacks were VERY flaky, to be sure, but VERY tough&#8230;so much so that my extremely non-picky husband told me to toss them.  </p>
<p>The crust snacks from the non-egg crusts were also flaky, but the butter seemed to stay incorporated (no weeping) AND the resulting crusts were so flaky that they crumbled if you put too much weight on them (for example, I had to make sure that I supported a half dollar sized snack, not just hold it by the corner or by the edges).  They were flaky, but also very delicate and the butter did not weep out of the crust.</p>
<p>I tried again with a different batch of egg dough and non egg dough with the same results&#8211;the egg dough was tough, the non-egg dough was tender, but they were both flaky.  VISUALLY they were both stunning in terms of flakiness (with the egg dough probably being more flaky looking), but the chew was expontentially different&#8230;the egg dough was just tough, tough, tough.</p>
<p>This left me in a bit of a dilemma&#8211;what to do with the two egg crusts?  I ended up marking them &#8220;for pecan pie only&#8221; (as per my husband&#8217;s instructions) so that even if the crusts were tough, the insides were good enough to stand alone.</p>
<p>Yes, the egg dough was MUCH eaiser to work than the non-egg dough, but the cooked crust was SO INCREDIBLY tougher that it was very much a disappointment.</p>
<p>Now, I did use a different brand of soft winter wheat flour (I did not have any KA on hand).  And I used an egg white instead of a whole egg.  Perhaps that was the difference, but I doubt it.  Egg is a notorious binder and it would stand to reason that an egg in the dough would cause the strengthening of the chains of proteins.  However, do your own experiment and see, just in case I missed something, and if I am totally off base, please delete this comment.  I do not want to lead anyone astray!</p>
<p>Stephanie</p>
<p><strong>Stephanie, very interesting and thorough research. It&#8217;s amazing how many different ways there are to make something as simple as piecrust, eh? Thanks for the lesson - and I hope whoever&#8217;s reading this tries Stephanie&#8217;s experiment sometime and reports back. PJH</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-3896</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!  What a way to say goodbye to Summer 08`...My husband will love this!! I confidently use KAF recipies weekly, and am tickled to have such a reputable Co. to offer such fine quality recipies and ingredients.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome!  What a way to say goodbye to Summer 08`&#8230;My husband will love this!! I confidently use KAF recipies weekly, and am tickled to have such a reputable Co. to offer such fine quality recipies and ingredients.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-3357</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have browsed many, many "foodie" blogs... I have read many of your poss and this is, by far, the best blog I have seen so far.  Keep up the good work!!  I will keep checking in.  :)

&lt;strong&gt;Thanks so much, Gail - we look forward to hearing more from you! - PJH&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have browsed many, many &#8220;foodie&#8221; blogs&#8230; I have read many of your poss and this is, by far, the best blog I have seen so far.  Keep up the good work!!  I will keep checking in.  <img src='http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Thanks so much, Gail - we look forward to hearing more from you! - PJH</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-3006</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-3006</guid>
		<description>I finally made this peach pie - oh my!  I got up early this morning (4 am!) to bake before leaving for work so that we could have it for dessert tonight.  The aroma that filled my house was heavenly.  I pulled it from the oven at 8 and left for the office.  Can't wait to get back home.  I did have a lot of trouble rolling the crust.  I rolled it on plastic wrap and even put the partially rolled crust, plastic wrap and all, back in the fridge to harden a little at one point.  I have a terrible time with pie crusts and pies are my favorite dessert of all!  I ended up piecing a lot of the crust together but the rustic look of this pie is very forgiving.  Once I cut into it I will know if all of my piecing affected the texture of the bottom crust.   If the crust works, I will try this with my other fruit pies - I'd much rather struggle with rolling one crust than rolling two; maybe I have stumbled into the only look - rustic - that I can consistently produce!  Thanks for all of the pictures and tips of how to make the crust and filling.  I love to bake and have been baking since I could stand at the table and help my mom but they still help me and I still run into the tip that I hadn't heard before.  (And, yes, my mother was an expert pie crust maker which is why I never learned!)  Now, I have to go read up on those chocolate chip muffins that you posted yesterday....

&lt;strong&gt;Linda, piecrust is a constant process for me. I LOVE pie, but have never been an "expert" crust maker. Always a work in progress. Like you, I think the rustic look covers a multitude of sins...  PJH&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally made this peach pie - oh my!  I got up early this morning (4 am!) to bake before leaving for work so that we could have it for dessert tonight.  The aroma that filled my house was heavenly.  I pulled it from the oven at 8 and left for the office.  Can&#8217;t wait to get back home.  I did have a lot of trouble rolling the crust.  I rolled it on plastic wrap and even put the partially rolled crust, plastic wrap and all, back in the fridge to harden a little at one point.  I have a terrible time with pie crusts and pies are my favorite dessert of all!  I ended up piecing a lot of the crust together but the rustic look of this pie is very forgiving.  Once I cut into it I will know if all of my piecing affected the texture of the bottom crust.   If the crust works, I will try this with my other fruit pies - I&#8217;d much rather struggle with rolling one crust than rolling two; maybe I have stumbled into the only look - rustic - that I can consistently produce!  Thanks for all of the pictures and tips of how to make the crust and filling.  I love to bake and have been baking since I could stand at the table and help my mom but they still help me and I still run into the tip that I hadn&#8217;t heard before.  (And, yes, my mother was an expert pie crust maker which is why I never learned!)  Now, I have to go read up on those chocolate chip muffins that you posted yesterday&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Linda, piecrust is a constant process for me. I LOVE pie, but have never been an &#8220;expert&#8221; crust maker. Always a work in progress. Like you, I think the rustic look covers a multitude of sins&#8230;  PJH</strong></p>
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		<title>By: fran</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-2958</link>
		<dc:creator>fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally, I am a peach cobbler gal, but after checking out the blog and finding this beautiful peach pie - - I just had to make it.  My peaches were awesome - - large and so juicy.  I had some questions concerning using flour as a thickner as I didn't have the other items.  The help desk assured me that flour was okay to use.  I made the recipe as stated, but I did take a short cut and used the "already made" pie crusts that you just roll out and use.  I cut stars out of crust for the top.  My pie really looked great, but I don't know why it tasted a bit bitter.  I think the almond extract threw me off.  All of my family thought it was bitter too.  Next time, I will try making my own crust and maybe adding a bit more vanilla and some nutmeg and cinnamon.  Any suggestions as to why it was so bitter tasting????  Thanks.

&lt;strong&gt;Fran, you may have been tasting the bleach in the ready-made piecrust. Those piecrusts are made with bleached flour, which means the flour mfr. pours powdered bleach into the flour. All of us here at King Arthur, since we only bake with our own UNbleached flour, can taste that bitterness/chemical taste in bleached flour. Don't know about you, but I'd rather not take a box of Clorox and pour it into my mouth... :) - PJH&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally, I am a peach cobbler gal, but after checking out the blog and finding this beautiful peach pie - - I just had to make it.  My peaches were awesome - - large and so juicy.  I had some questions concerning using flour as a thickner as I didn&#8217;t have the other items.  The help desk assured me that flour was okay to use.  I made the recipe as stated, but I did take a short cut and used the &#8220;already made&#8221; pie crusts that you just roll out and use.  I cut stars out of crust for the top.  My pie really looked great, but I don&#8217;t know why it tasted a bit bitter.  I think the almond extract threw me off.  All of my family thought it was bitter too.  Next time, I will try making my own crust and maybe adding a bit more vanilla and some nutmeg and cinnamon.  Any suggestions as to why it was so bitter tasting????  Thanks.</p>
<p><strong>Fran, you may have been tasting the bleach in the ready-made piecrust. Those piecrusts are made with bleached flour, which means the flour mfr. pours powdered bleach into the flour. All of us here at King Arthur, since we only bake with our own UNbleached flour, can taste that bitterness/chemical taste in bleached flour. Don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;d rather not take a box of Clorox and pour it into my mouth&#8230; <img src='http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> - PJH</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Janeen</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>Janeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a midwest yankee from Michigan and Michigan is a great state for fruit!!  Traverse City area is the worlds largest cherry producer and in the area where I grew up ( eastern side of the state along Lake Huron and Lake St Claire)we had large commerical apple and peach orchards.  My father had honeybees and we would place hives in these orchards to help with pollunation.  Romeo Michigan has a big peach fesitval every August.  I know from my experience getting the peaches (or any fruit) fresh from the tree and local grower is always better tasting.  The fruit in the supermarket has to be picked sooo early to get it to the market before it spoils makes the end products not as tastey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a midwest yankee from Michigan and Michigan is a great state for fruit!!  Traverse City area is the worlds largest cherry producer and in the area where I grew up ( eastern side of the state along Lake Huron and Lake St Claire)we had large commerical apple and peach orchards.  My father had honeybees and we would place hives in these orchards to help with pollunation.  Romeo Michigan has a big peach fesitval every August.  I know from my experience getting the peaches (or any fruit) fresh from the tree and local grower is always better tasting.  The fruit in the supermarket has to be picked sooo early to get it to the market before it spoils makes the end products not as tastey.</p>
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		<title>By: cindy hayes</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-2812</link>
		<dc:creator>cindy hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in East Texas -- we can get fresh peaches at Efurd Orchard from June until....well, this is August, and they still have peaches.  Different varieties come off at different times, so they always have a delicious peach available all summer.  I make ingredients as I would for a fresh peach pie, but I place it in a  pie plate, freeze it, then pop it in one of those seal-a-meal bags that keeps the air out.   Anytime we want fresh peach pie, all I do is make a pie crust, pop in the peaches, pat of butter on top, top crust and fresh peach pie.  Since the peaches are frozen, I cook it with foil on top about half way through to make sure peaches are done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in East Texas &#8212; we can get fresh peaches at Efurd Orchard from June until&#8230;.well, this is August, and they still have peaches.  Different varieties come off at different times, so they always have a delicious peach available all summer.  I make ingredients as I would for a fresh peach pie, but I place it in a  pie plate, freeze it, then pop it in one of those seal-a-meal bags that keeps the air out.   Anytime we want fresh peach pie, all I do is make a pie crust, pop in the peaches, pat of butter on top, top crust and fresh peach pie.  Since the peaches are frozen, I cook it with foil on top about half way through to make sure peaches are done.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Harford</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-2770</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Harford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm searching for Bill Harris' orchard for peaches in Lothian, MD on Lower Pindell Rd. I found the location on a map. It's almost to Calvert County. Can't find a phone # to call him. Does he go to the Farmers Market at Riva Rd and Truman Parkway?  I'm looking for freestone peaches. Picked some in Delaware outside of Ocean City, MD last week and need more without hoofing it to Delaware. HELP!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m searching for Bill Harris&#8217; orchard for peaches in Lothian, MD on Lower Pindell Rd. I found the location on a map. It&#8217;s almost to Calvert County. Can&#8217;t find a phone # to call him. Does he go to the Farmers Market at Riva Rd and Truman Parkway?  I&#8217;m looking for freestone peaches. Picked some in Delaware outside of Ocean City, MD last week and need more without hoofing it to Delaware. HELP!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Caryl Ponti</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-2754</link>
		<dc:creator>Caryl Ponti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ, After posting earlier re the lack of knowledge of wonderful South Carolina peaches I thought I would do some personal investigation.  Last week I drove to MacLead's Peach Orchard in McBee, South Carolina which is in the Hartsfield/Florence area. It was a really fun trip and the place is amazing - they were so busy with people carrying away boxes and boxes of peaches.  I noticed a lot of northern license plates so believe there were a lot of tourists returning from Myrtle Beach.  I bought two peck baskets of "seconds" ($4.00 each) which are considered too ripe to ship.  I don't even know what varieties they were, but they were all freestone.  I froze them this morning and they were beautiful!  I just followed the directions on the Fruit Fresh container - 1 TBS. Fruit Fresh to each four/five peaches and added 1/4 cup of sugar.  You could add more sugar, but that is personal preference. They are so juicy! Here is the contact info:  McLeod's Orchards, Rt. 151, 8 miles north of the intersection of 15 and 151 in Hartsville, SC.  Their website is www.MacsPride.com and their toll-free number is:  1-877-789-9252.  They are open 8-6:30 Mon. thru Thurs. and 8-7 Fri. thru Sun.  I hope you all will be able to enjoy this wonderful South Carolina product!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ, After posting earlier re the lack of knowledge of wonderful South Carolina peaches I thought I would do some personal investigation.  Last week I drove to MacLead&#8217;s Peach Orchard in McBee, South Carolina which is in the Hartsfield/Florence area. It was a really fun trip and the place is amazing - they were so busy with people carrying away boxes and boxes of peaches.  I noticed a lot of northern license plates so believe there were a lot of tourists returning from Myrtle Beach.  I bought two peck baskets of &#8220;seconds&#8221; ($4.00 each) which are considered too ripe to ship.  I don&#8217;t even know what varieties they were, but they were all freestone.  I froze them this morning and they were beautiful!  I just followed the directions on the Fruit Fresh container - 1 TBS. Fruit Fresh to each four/five peaches and added 1/4 cup of sugar.  You could add more sugar, but that is personal preference. They are so juicy! Here is the contact info:  McLeod&#8217;s Orchards, Rt. 151, 8 miles north of the intersection of 15 and 151 in Hartsville, SC.  Their website is <a href="http://www.MacsPride.com" rel="nofollow">www.MacsPride.com</a> and their toll-free number is:  1-877-789-9252.  They are open 8-6:30 Mon. thru Thurs. and 8-7 Fri. thru Sun.  I hope you all will be able to enjoy this wonderful South Carolina product!</p>
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		<title>By: Caryl Ponti</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2008/06/16/peachy-keen/#comment-2632</link>
		<dc:creator>Caryl Ponti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ, I just love this Blog. I also live in South Carolina and am just amazed that you all are unaware of our wonderful peaches.  They are the best!  I am a Master Gardener with Clemson University and will make it a point that the University and the South Carolina Department of Agriculture gets the word out.  Shame on them!

&lt;strong&gt;In 35 year, I've never seen a South Carolina peach in New England - only those from California, Georgia, and Pennsylvania. Get your farmers to send some up! - PJH&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ, I just love this Blog. I also live in South Carolina and am just amazed that you all are unaware of our wonderful peaches.  They are the best!  I am a Master Gardener with Clemson University and will make it a point that the University and the South Carolina Department of Agriculture gets the word out.  Shame on them!</p>
<p><strong>In 35 year, I&#8217;ve never seen a South Carolina peach in New England - only those from California, Georgia, and Pennsylvania. Get your farmers to send some up! - PJH</strong></p>
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